難忘采訪李昌鈺

第一次采訪李昌鈺博士，給我留下了難以磨滅的記憶。

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2008年4月，美籍華人、著名國際刑偵專家李昌鈺博士一行來我省訪問的消息，不脛而走，省有關單位和新聞媒體十分關注，紛紛向省僑辦詢問李昌鈺博士一行來浙江訪問的有關情況。我接到《文化交流》雜志總編輯的電話，約我寫一篇李昌鈺的專訪，為《文化交流》獨家供稿。盡管當時工作和接待任務繁重，但因為我與總編輯是多年朋友，也就應允下來。

現在回想起來，我那時答應采訪李博士，真是有些貿然。李昌鈺博士是世界著名刑事鑒識科學家，40多年來他在全球42個國家參與偵破了8000多起重大案件，被媒體譽為“當代福爾摩斯”、“物證鑒識大師”、“科學神探”，他的名字與被稱為“世紀大審判”的辛普森殺妻案、克林頓性丑聞案、肯尼迪遇刺案、克林頓白宮副顧問自殺案等一件件轟動全球的驚世大案聯系在一起。這樣—位世界名人，我只是通過媒體了解過他，但從未見過面，他會接受我的采訪嗎?我心存疑慮。況且李博士在浙江訪問只有四五天時間，日程安排十分緊湊，有沒有時間接受我的采訪我也心中無底。

4月8日上午約8時30分，李博士與夫人宋妙娟女士從上海浦東國際機場乘車到達杭州，我陪省僑辦領導在高速公路杭州彭埠出口處迎候。因為有警車開道，所以車隊行駛不到20分鐘就到了下榻的西子賓館。雖然旅途有些勞累，但李博士仍面帶笑容，腰板挺直，很有精神。我第一次見到李博士，就感覺他是一位十分和藹可親的老人，說話不緊不慢，非常平易近人，一點名人的架子也沒有。當天吃過中飯，我向李博士報告了來浙江訪問的日程安排及接待方案后，他高興地說，安排得十分周到，謝謝你們。爾后，我忐忑不安地對李博士說:“這次除了全程陪同您訪問外，還有一個任務是想采訪您，完成《文化交流》雜志的一篇專訪。不知您同意嗎?”李博士笑了笑回答：“可以呵，你們宣傳我是件好事。你與記者不一樣，全程陪同我，采訪比他們時間多。我們可以抽時間多聊聊呵。”李博士一番話，不僅打消了我原有 的疑慮和膽怯，而且增添了我采訪的信心和勇氣。

李博士此次來浙江訪問，省領導高度重視和關心， 并給予高規格的禮遇。4月10日下午，省委書記、省人大常委會主任趙洪祝親切會見了他和夫人宋妙娟。趙洪祝書記說，李博士有“神探”之名，希望能對浙江社會治安工作多提寶貴的意見和建議，幫助我省公安干警不斷提高刑偵水平。李博士表示，愿意與同行切磋交流，分享經驗，為浙江省的社會治安略盡綿薄之力。會見結束時，趙書記向李博士贈送了織錦畫《四季西湖》；李博士向趙書記贈送了他最近撰寫出版的兩本新書和美國警察茄克衣，趙書記還穿上美國警察茄克衣高興地與李博士合影留念。會見后，時任副省長鐘山宴請了李博士一行。在浙江訪問的5天時間里，李博士拜訪了省公安部門領導，并與公安干警進行了刑事偵查交流并演講；到浙江警察學院、浙江工商大學講學，并受聘名譽教授；還赴海鹽等地考察，看望基層公安干警。因為李博士行程安排十分緊張，因此我的采訪只能見縫插針。

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我因有幸全程陪同李博士一行，所以早餐和坐車時是我采訪的最好時機。我在采訪中，聽李博士講得最多的是他用科學、獨特的刑事偵察與鑒識技術偵破案件的故事。李博士向我介紹，“刑事鑒識科學”將物理、化學、醫學、生物學等自然科學的原理及方法應用到刑事偵查和法庭工作上，能借助先進的科學技術找到確鑿的物證，以物證證明被告有罪或無罪或不在現場，減少了人為的主觀色彩，使破案結果更為準確、客觀。“如果不但沒有證人，而且生不見人死不見尸，這樣的失蹤案又如何偵破呢?”我問道。李博士向我講述了很多案例，比如“碎木機下冤魂案”、“警察殺人案”、“百慕大美少女命案”、“神秘血手印案”等偵破故事。李博士說，現代人應該具有鑒識意識，學會用鑒識技術來保護自己。不但是刑事偵查領域，就是我們的日常生活中也會用到鑒識技術。在美國，中餐館很多，生意也不錯。有一次，有一位美國老太太投訴她吃的春卷中有貓肉、狗肉，給那家中餐館帶來了很大的麻煩，還嚴重影響了中國人的形象。后來經過物證鑒識，春卷用貓肉、狗肉的說法純屬子虛烏有，那家中餐館也討回了公道與清白。

李博士除了以他精湛的刑事偵察與鑒識技術享譽全球外，他的艱苦奮斗經歷，也使我深受教育和啟發。作為世界頂級的鑒識科學家，李博士一生獲得了800多個榮譽獎項。2005年，他106歲高齡的母親去世，美國現任和歷任總統都發來了慰問信，稱她為最偉大的母親。出殯時，美國警車前來開道，為華人贏得無上尊榮。我問李博士；“人生成功的秘訣是什么?”他笑了笑說，人生最重要的是堅守理想，知難而上。碰到再大的困難也要想辦法去克服，這樣才有可能成功。1965年他初到美國時身上只有50美元，不久太太懷孕生了孩子，生活費、學費使壓力更大了。他白天上課，晚上到餐館端盤子，周末去教中國功夫。為了節省5分錢，他下班、下課后再累都走路回家。工作、學習之外，每天只能睡3至4個小時，但他并不消極，而認為這正是鍛煉自己的好機會。他邊看書、邊看電視、邊聽音樂、邊照顧孩子，因此訓練了思維能力，乃至日后可與三個人同時談話，還能思考案件。就這樣他一步一步，以超常的毅力，以多出常人幾倍心血的付出，登上事業的高峰。李博士對我說：“我年輕時窮，上不了哈佛大學；后來有了錢，他們又說我成績不好。現在哈佛花重金來請我去演講。”李博士還說，即使不是名牌大學畢業，只要在一個領域里刻苦鉆研幾十年，也可以成為頂尖人才。成功屬于勤奮的人。

在短短幾天與李博士夫婦接觸、交往中，我發現李博士夫人宋妙娟女士十分賢惠，對李博士體貼入微。每次李博士演講，宋妙娟女士總是坐在臺下靜靜聽著；演講結束后，將親手泡好的熱茶端給李博士喝。我好奇地問李博士的家庭情況，他坦率地和我講起與夫人相識、相知、相愛的愛情故事及美滿幸福的家庭，還從文件包里找出了他與夫人年輕時的合影照片給我看。李博士說:“這張照片送給你吧，配你寫的專訪文章用。”李博士還風趣地說，這是我第一次公開家庭“隱私”呵。當時我手里拿著照片，十分激動地連聲說：“謝謝!”

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在采訪李博士中，我被他那種艱苦奮斗的精神、百折不撓的毅力、至誠信義的品德和愛祖（籍）國、愛家鄉的熱情感動著，沖擊著，激勵著……讓我終生難忘和心靈震撼。正是這種感動和震撼，也正是李博士的支持和鼓勵，我連續4個晚上寫作到凌晨兩、三點鐘，撰寫了7000多字的專訪《當代“福爾摩斯”李昌鈺》，并趕在李博士一行離開浙江的前一天晚上，送交李博士審閱。4月13日早上8點左右，我到李博士房間請他吃早飯，他將親筆修改過的稿子遞給我后說:“文章寫得不錯。短短幾天寫了我一生，不容易。”李博士還把從未在報刊上發表過的6張工作照片送給我配專訪文章用。在一旁的李夫人說：“李博士對采訪他的文章一般不看也不修改，這是破例第一次。昨天晚上他還戴著老花眼鏡認真仔細地看了一個多小時呢。”李博士能在百忙中抽出時間來親自審閱和修改我寫的文章，我感到無比幸運和激動。當天晚上，我認認真真地看了稿子，李博士親筆修改了13處之多。比如我在寫《碎木機下冤魂案》的偵破故事中，有一段原文是：“為證實尸體確實是用碎木機粉碎，李昌鈺將豬的骨頭和肉一起放入碎木機，其碎渣與海倫尸體碎渣形狀完全一樣。”后來李博士修改為:“李昌鈺將全豬的骨頭和肉一起放入碎木機……”加了一個“全”，雖是一字之差，卻糾正了我的誤寫。可見李博士是多么認真和嚴謹。

4月15日下午，我將采訪李博士的文章和照片送到《文化交流》雜志社，交給總編輯。6月上旬，《文化交流》第六期發表了《當代“福爾摩斯”李昌鈺》一文。6月25日，李博士從美國特地給我打來電話說，對浙江接待十分滿意，表示感謝，并問起文章有沒有發表。我告訴李博士已經發表，他十分高興地說今年10月中旬到上海能否將《文化交流》雜志當面送他。當時我因有一個重要會議抽不開身，故在10月18日那天委托浙江工商大學法學院孔院長帶去5本《文化交流》雜志和一本郵票冊送給李博士。

11月20日，李博士從美國發來傳真，寫道:“《文化交流》已收到，雜志辦得很好；文章也寫得很好，謝謝。”2009年4月李博士再次來訪問并在浙江警察學院講學時，還專門說到我采訪他，給他寫了一篇好文章，刊登在《文化交流》雜志上。李博士離開浙江時，又向我要了15本《文化交流》雜志帶回美國。（本文照片均為陳謀荃攝）□

My Interviews of Dr. Henry Lee

By Jiang Minda

The media across Zhejiang buzzed in early April， 2008 when journalists learned that Dr. Henry Lee was to visit Zhejiang. At that time I worked for the Office of Overseas Chinese Affairs， the office in charge of receiving the world-famous criminologist during his visit to the province. Before the arrival of the modern Holms， I received a call from Mr. Fu Tongxian， editor-in-chief of Cultural Dialogue. He asked if it was possible for me to interview Dr. Lee. I was in the privileged position， for I was to accompany Dr. Lee all the way through his visit across Zhejiang. I said okay even though I knew I would be extremely busy.

But I was little bit worried. Dr. Lee is famous for his brilliant contribution to forensic science. During his career， he helped solve more than 8，000 big cases in 42 countries across the world. I had never met him before. Would he agree to talk with me? Moreover， his visit to Zhejiang was scheduled for about four days and the schedule was a tight arrangement of many activities.

At about eight thirty on the morning of April 8， Dr. Lee and his wife Margaret reached Hangzhou by expressway from Shanghai. We met the couple at the exit of the expressway in Hangzhou and took them to the Xizi Guest House on the West Lake. I had never seen Dr. Lee in person before， but I was impressed by the amiable old man. After the lunch I briefed Dr. Lee on the schedule for his stay in Zhejiang. Then I said I would be accompanying him and his wife during their stay in the province. In addition， I would like to interview him and write a feature story for the Cultural Dialogue. Dr. Lee chuckled and said I would have more time to chat with him since I would be with him throughout his visit.

He did have a full schedule in Zhejiang. The only free time that I had for interviewing with him was during breakfast and during our ride to somewhere. During interviews， Dr. Lee talked a lot and I put in some questions here and there. We went through a lot of subjects， touching upon his life and his career.

I spent four nights drafting and polishing and every night I worked into small hours. I managed to give a feature story of about 7，000 words to Dr. Lee for review at the last night he was in Zhejiang. The next morning he gave the story back to me， commenting that I had done a nice job of covering his life within a brief period of a few days.

The manuscript came back with six photographs from Dr. Lee which he said had never been published before. His wife Margaret commented that Dr. Lee usually did not review feature stories about him， but my story was an exception. He spent more than an hour going through the manuscript. He made 13 corrections.

On the afternoon of April 15， I brought the text and photographs to Mr. Fu Tongxian at the editorial office of the Cultural Dialogue. The story came out in the June issue of the Cultural Dialogue. On June 25， Dr. Lee called me from USA， expressing his appreciation for the warm reception he received during his visit to Zhejiang. He asked if the feature story had been published. I said yes. He was glad to ask if I could bring copies to him as he planned to visit Shanghai in October that year.

I was unable to go to Shanghai to meet him， for I had a meeting to attend in October. So I asked someone else to take five copies and an album of postal stamps to Dr. Lee.

On November 20， I received a fax from Dr. Lee in USA. He said he had received the copies of Cultural Dialogue. He said it was good publication and the story I wrote was very good. He expressed his appreciation.

In April， 2009， Dr. Lee came to Zhejiang Police Academy for a lecture. At the lecture， he mentioned my interviews with him， the feature story and the Cultural Dialogue. He requested 15 copies of the Cultural Dialogue and took them back to the USA. □